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Bueno pues os comento... me gustan mucho las arboricolas y bueno dentro de un tiempito queria montarme 1 terrario para una parejita de corallus hortulanus y me gustaria q me aconsejarais sobre si esta especie es la mejor para empezar con arboricolas y demas y q tamaño de terrario me recomendais? :)
 

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la verdad que segun tengo entendido es un pelin complicada pero como todo... ya que las arboricolas no toleran fallos en cuento a la humedad y a la temperatura.... ademas son dificiles para comer.... y regurgitan... pero no se ai que me digan los expertos jeje yo me voy a pillar una parejita tb... haber ke tal
 

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Las hortulanus son una buena iniciación a las boas arborícolas, los comentarios de sakura se corresponden más bien con su prima la caninus, en ese caso si que tenemos que ser mucho más cuidadosos con los parámetros ambientales y con la alimentación.

Las hortulanus son particularmente adaptables, necesitan temperaturas no demasiado elevadas, sin subir de 30ºC con un promedio de 28ºC y bajada nocturna hasta los 25-26ºC. En cuanto a sus necesidades de humedad, tampoco necesitan sistemas de pulverización o aspersión automáticos, con una pulverización manual de agua al final del día, les es suficiente.

La alimentación en ejemplares SANOS no es un problema, son voraces y agresivas ante el alimento, cuando están en temporada de alimentación, no dejan pasar de largo al ratón o rata que se les ofrezca, se adaptan a presa muerta sin problemas en general. Los problemas de alimentación pueden aparecer en ejemplares salvajes de importación que vengan parasitados, esto conduce a los vómitos y a la muerte de la boa en muchos casos.

Las crías nacidas en cautividad y los adultos bien adaptados, no presentan problemas con la comida, estos problemas son muchísimo más frecuentes en las Corallus caninus, pero hay que tener en cuenta que las esmeraldas son casi siempre adultos o subadultos de importación, cuando estén disponibles con más facilidad sus crías nacidas en cautividad, espero que esos problemas pasen a la historia.

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Bueno, yo como tambien voy a tener una parejita de hortus dentro de poco, planteo aqui mis dudas.

El terrario tiene que ser estilo el k montarias para una viridis, en referencia a sus barras en distintas alturas? O mejor troncos altos que llegen hasta arriba del terrario?
En el caso de que fuera mejor poner barras, que recomendais mas de plastico o cañas?

Al adquirir una pareja como con otros boidos es mas recomendable mantenerlas individualmente? Bueno y por ultimo a que edad llegan a ser adultas?

Gracias :D
 

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zhahje, lo de las perchas, por lo que tengo entendido, y tengo montado, lo mejor es tener un par de perchas horizontales, mejor si no estan fijas a la estructura, ya que si necesitas sacar al animal, para limpiar el terrario por ejemplo, y tiene uno de esos momentos que todos conocemos de las hortus, podras sacar la percha con el animal en ella colgado, y luego, una vez fuera del terrario, seria un poco mas facil cogerlo, con gancho guantes o lo que necesites :) si son de plastico, pues mejor, asi no se deterioran con la humedad, aunque yo las tengo de madera, y ningun problema :)

la edad de adultas, por lo que he leido, no se cuenta por años, sino, mas bien por el peso del bicho en cuestion, si lo que buscas es reproducirlas, cuando llegan a un peso de unos 700g es un buen peso, eso si, no hay que cebar al animal, y pretender llegar a ese peso en un año! lo ideal seria con dos-tres años minimo, mejor tres, que dos. El macho puedes tenerlo con un poquito menos de peso, pero tampoco mucho, ya que al no tener que llevar las crias dentro, no tiene por que tener un "exceso" de reservas

un saludo!

PD: que me corriga alguien si estoy confundido
 
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pocas serpientes hay tan bonitas y accesibles como las hortus , y para todos los gustos , lo "malo" son las malas pulgas y su tendencia a vomitar presas demasiado grandes , pero por lo demas es un lujo , ademas te "entrenas" para el manejo de bichas mordedoras .
suerte¡
 

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Bueno y sobre lo de mantener la pareja junta o separada que me decis?
El terrario seria de (60x40x50) Alto·Ancho·Largo, dispongo de dos terrarios del mismo tamaño con lo qual me es casi indiferente juntas k separadas.
 

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Esas medidas de los terrarios son satisfactorias para las hortus incluso adultas, para las crías al menos en los primeros meses sería más aconsejable tenerlas en tuppers más pequeños, te facilitará el control de la humedad y alimentación, aunque tampoco afirmo que no puedan ir bien en terrarios como los que comentas.

Las adultas lo ideal es tenerlas separadas excepto durante el temporada reproductora, cuando se juntan machos y hembras, incluso en tríos de 1 macho y 2 hembras. En caso de tener que mantener juntas dos adultas a lo largo del todo el año, evitar que dos machos compartan el mismo terrario, será pelea casi segura y con un posible desenlace mortal, pero dos hembras de una talla similar o una pareja macho/hembra sí se podría mantener, con especial cuidado a la hora de la alimentación, lo mejor sería separarlas cuando se les de su comida.

Morgul, respecto a lo que comentas de su tendencia a vomitar presas demasiado grandes, yo eso no lo veo como un problema propio de la especie, sino más bien como un mal manejo de ellas por parte del cuidador. Las hortus son delgadas por definición, y no se les debería dar de comer un roedor más grueso que su abdomen, para los machos adultos con un ratón adulto a la semana es suficiente, para las hembras adultas yo les doy un ratón adulto y cuando deben ganar peso de cara a la reproducción, pues mejor una rata pequeña, pero sin pasarse. Su metabolismo es rápido, no tienen en eso nada que ver con las esmeraldas, por eso lo propio es una alimentación semanal con una presa de tamaño apropiado, aquí no sirve eso de una gran presa y luego dos semanas de digestión, lo que ocurrirá en ese caso es que vomite el roedor a los dos o tres días.

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amén alejandro ,eres un crack tio , me encantan las hortus aver si pones fotos de las tuyas :rolleyes:

Venga tio un saludo.

Pedro.
 
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pues si , alejandro , la garden ke tuve me vomito un par de veces al principio , hasta ke le coji la medida...... ke olor de potas dios....
 

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Si Morgul, a ese machote garden lo conozco, lo conozco, y te aseguro que no me ha vomitado nunca, lo que si insiste en mantener es su mal genio habitual, je,je.

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yeah¡¡¡
es muy guapo aun garden , taba contento con el y espero noticias de su descendencia¡¡¡
 

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Alguien me podria poner fotos de el alojamiento de sus hortus?

Pues las mantendre en distintos terrarios del tamaño(40x50x60) largo·alto·ancho , no tengo nada mas pequeño, si veo que no estan bien ya las pondre en un lugar mas pequeño para controlarlas mejor.
 

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Si os apañais con el inglés, podeis echarle un vistazo a esta info,

Caging is really set up to the keeper's preference. One major dichotomy in caging preference is present and it is between those who keep their cages simple and those who make elaborate cages. Most major breeders maintain their animals in relatively simple and basic cages to not only decrease time spent cleaning but also to decrease costs. Keeping things simple also has the advantage of being much more easily sanitized. On the other hand, many private keepers make very elaborate cages. Building or having an elaborate cage built takes time and money and its upkeep takes much more work but the aesthetics are much better.

One big issue for Amazon tree boas housed in glass or acrylic enclosures is how well adjusted the snakes are to people. Amazon tree boas are very alert snakes and the large majority is willing to strike at any slight provocation. Thus, keep in mind how well adjusted your snake is before moving it into such an enclosure. A new Amazon tree boa - fresh from the jungles - will probably spend a lot of time striking at the glass if people or pets keep walking by it. However, most Amazons will adjust to captivity and although they might not calm down completely, they will calm down enough not to strike at the glass or Plexiglass.

Acrylic/Plexiglass: Acrylic (Plexiglass) has become a recently common-use caging material. Acrylic is more shatter resistent than glass but also scratches easier. There are several advantages to acrylic though. It is awfully strong (same material used for large aquariums), easy to work with and join together and comes with a variety of colors from clear to black. Acrylic will also warp under high heat however so that should be taken into consideration

Aquaria: Glass aquaria is probably the most traditional of herp housing. They come in a variety of sizes and shapes, are watertight, and easy to clean. Most glass aquaria do not suit arboreal snakes very well however. They typically lack the vertical space needed. One other major drawback with glass aquaria is that good ventilation is more difficult to maintain, especially considering that a warmer temperature also needs to be maintained.

Melamine: Melamine is simply particle board coated by a waterproof substance similar to your kitchen countertops. The advantage of melamine is that it seems easily availabe and are both available by cage manufacturers or can be done by yourself. It also wipes down quite easily and is quite scratch resistent. Melamine however, is quite heavy and if the joints of the cage are not properly seeled, will bevel and change shape from water damage.

Polyethelene: Probably the most popular arboreal housing systems right now, polyethelene cages have been made famous by Bush Herpetological Supply and Vision Herpetological. They are custom moulded high-impact cages which are easy to clean, lightweight, completely watertight, and come in a variety of sizes. The only possible drawbacks are some of the higher prices for the larger units. However, the smaller, arboreal units are comparable to other caging methods. Some of the more popular models for emeralds are the #C24A and #C28A Neodesha cages made by Bush Herpetological Supply and Model 222 & 422 cages made by Vision Herpetological. These cages are easily heated with heat tape or an overhead light.

Tupperware: No longer are Rubbermaid and Sterlite storage boxes only suitable for clothing or even terrestrial herps. Arboreal enthusiasts have made some of these storage boxes a staple in their collections. These boxes are cheap, watertight and tough. Also, they are slightly opaque giving a bit of security but also allows good visual access to the animals. Holes can be easily drilled through the sides of the boxes for air holes or to attach perches. Another benefit of these boxes is that they are also stackable.

Wood: Wooden cages, along with aquaria are as old as the hobby itself. They are probably still the most popular of housing for amateur and smaller collections and work well for the most part. Wooden cages can look very nice when properly finished. The thing that one needs to make certain is that the wood is properly sealed. This can be done with several different sealants. The most popular sealant is polyurethane which is typically semi-transluscent. Another is simple exterior house paint which works just as well. There is a sealant product known as Nylene® that has been used by some in the aquarium business to seal wooden boxes. I don't know of anyone who has used that in herpetoculture however. Just remember that all cages must be completely aired out before use.

Although Amazon tree boas will thrive when housed with other Amazon tree boas or even other species, it is best not to house individuals together permanently. Because of their constant heightened level of alertness, they are more prone to striking at and biting other animals in the same enclosure. It is also easier to maintain good husbandry records when animals are maintained by themselves. Any problems such as runny feces, regurgitation, etc. can be directly traced back to the only individual in the enclosure.

There are lots of questions as to the minimum size of enclosures for Amazon tree boas. Amazon tree boas are thin snakes and coiled up, do not take up a lot of space. But they are also active animals often foraging actively at night. Some of the size requirments can be met by an increase in the number of perches and thus, surface area to climb over. But there are some basic size requirements for these snakes.

For years, I maintained an Amazon tree boa in a 20-gallon tank without any problems. But this is an enclosure that would now be considered a bit small to most people. A majority of the Corallus keepers agree that their space requirements are slightly less than or equal to that of emerald tree boas. So what is the minimum size for an Amazon tree boa. Truth is, you can probably keep one well in a 10-gallon tank but whether or not that is good for the snake is another question. Probably the most popular enclosures for these snakes now are large plastic tupperware containers such as Rubbermaid and Sterlite. These are often used to house adult Amazon tree boas by others as well as myself. Some of the medium-sized ones are fine for smaller adults but you can also find large tupperware for larger individuals. Dimensionally, the minimum housing requirements seem to be approximately 24" H x 24"W x 18") (6 cubic feet) for an adult. For larger adult animals, it is probably a good idea to push that size up to a 24" cube.


Amazon tree boas are quite tolerant of wide temperature ranges in captivity. Although individuals will survive in temperature ranges between 70°F and 75°F, it is better to bump that temperature range up 5°. Ideally, temperature ranges for Amazon tree boas should range between 75°F and 85°F. It is best to provide a temperature gradient although Amazon tree boas will not always move to their ideal temperature opting to sit on their preferred perch. With lower temperatures, Amazon tree boas will develop respiratory problems and wheezing usually becomes a problem.

One common mistake is the assumption that high humidity levels equals hydration. The humidity level is associated with a high ambient humidity. Because the reptilian skin is water-tight, only a very, very tiny amount of water might enter the animal from the outside environment. The high humidity aids in the slowing of water loss by increasing outside humidity but does not hydrate the animal sufficiently.

Condensation on the cage glass indicates a cage where the ventilation is poor and the wetness is too high. If this is the case, ventilation needs to be improved. Poor ventilation, coupled with warm and wet conditions, promotes bacterial and fungal growth.


What is the proper way to light your snake? A very common method of lighting is via an incandescent light fixture either located inside the cage or fixed outside the cage with a reflector hood. Of course, if you are using glass aquaria or something that receives light well, you might not choose to light the cage at all. If a high wattage bulb is used to provide bright light or heat, remember that Amazon tree boas are very prone to striking. The heat given off by these light sources as well as the snake's dependence on their infrared heat receptors will make Amazon tree boas strike often at the light.

Since snakes swallow whole prey items, they do not need to synthesize Vitamin D as herbivorous reptiles do. Therefor they do not require UV-radiation. Some Corallus keepers and breeders keep their snakes on UV lighting because it is brighter and UV lighting has shown to increase the activity and well being of their animals.


Substrates can cause problems for Amazon tree boas. Because they spend so much time on the ground, they often constrict prey on the ground and swallow prey on the ground. This increases the likelihood of substrate being ingested if the substrate is small enough to be ingested. It is because of this that newspaper or some other one-piece substrate is recommended for Amazon tree boas.

This is of course not to say that other substrates cannot work very well for Amazon tree boas. Firstly, the ingestion of the substrate is not a very common event. Secondly, this is obviously a problem that is encountered in the wild and thus, their system is likely quite tolerant of accidental ingestions. Common substrates for Amazon tree boas include 50/50 peat moss and sand, cypress mulch, as well as shavings. Cedar wood chips should be avoided as a substrate because they will emit noxious fumes. Similarily, pine shavings have also been known to be somewhat similar as far as effects go. Other good and commonly used cage substrates include paper towels and bath towels. Be careful with using bath towels in that snakes might strike and get their long teeth tangled on the weaving of the towels.


Caging needs for Amazon tree boas can be easily met by a couple of essentials. One, a water dish - preferably a large water dish. Although Amazon tree boas inhabit a variety of areas, they are still associated with relatively high humidity and this can be at least partially imitated with a large water dish which provides a large surface area of water. And two, a plethera of perches criss-crossing or as Cord Offerman puts it, a "jungle gym" of perches. Amazon tree boas make much use of horizontal forks in branches as well as branches which meet and cross each other.

Perches: Perches can be fastened onto the cage several different ways. For wooden or plastic cages, perches can be attached via screws or nails from the outside of the cage although this does create holes in the cage. Another option which makes cleaning and maintenance easy is to use perch holders. Perch holders can be purchased or built. These holders are the ones sold to hold wooden closet dowels in. Some companies (BARRS) also make plastic perch holders. You can also custom make your own perch holder. The removable perch allows for removal of the Amazon tree boa simply by removing the perch. As many who have tried to remove an unwilling Amazon tree boa will tell you, their long bodies, tendency to bite and ability to grab on to branches with any part of their body make them difficult to separate from many perches. Other methods of fixing perches include using silicon all around the branch to fix it in place (not for wood cages) and simply pinning the branch in the cage. Snuggly fitting the perches (branches are most common) into place is more feasible with the lighter-weighted Amazon tree boa but make sure branches are secure with screws or cable-ties so that they do not collapse and accidentally crush the snake.

Plants: Plants make an attractive addition to any cage but also can serve several purposes in the cage. Aesthetically, it is pretty amazing to see a brightly colored Amazon tree boa coiled up amongst or beside great green leaves or flowers. Live plants also help maintain air quality as well as higher humidity levels. Plant lights can be used in a fluorescent fixture to help growth without natural sunlight exposure. Some live plants that work great for tree boas are Pothos, philodendron, Monstera, bromeliads, among many others. Pothos and philodendron are vine plants and will climb all over the enclosure providing a very pretty cage. Be careful, as plants have been accidentally ingested before following a strike that also took some of the plant. Pothos is a cheap and popular houseplant and given the opportunity, will thrive well. Plastic or silk plants or vines are also great for cages. They do not help maintain humidity but can be easily manipulated and can be used as cover for the snake.


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Hola Manu,

A mi estas arbolícolas (hortus), aunque me entantan! no me gustan por lo relativamente delicadas que parece ser que son en cuanto a su mantenimiento y por la tendencia de lanzarse contra todo lo que se les pasa por delante... vamos, que por lo que parece es como ir en una vespa... la moto está muy bien, pero casi todo el mundo se acaba cayendeo de ella en un momento u otro... eso sí, como las vespas, más económicas que esas joyas verdes que enamoran a cualquiera! :rolleyes:

Por cierto... veo que sigues empecinado en tu 'gran colección'... ¿Cuantos animales llevas ya? Por lo menos Eubles, camaleones, el eterno reciclaje de ese acuario que después de ser casa de eubles ahora veo que está convertido en vivario para dendros, preguntas por 'arbolícolas', tarántulas... Para tener 15 años no está mal! tómatelo con calma, muchacho.... que tienes toda la vida por delante para aprender y poner en práctica todo lo que aprendes...

Saludos,

José
 
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Jose jeje ese acuario iba derecho a vivario desde el principio al euble le construi 1 terrario de madera... de momento mientras pueda apretar y abarcar en la misma medida seguire con lo mio jeje :D la verda esq su agresividad en parte me gusta y vamos... yo creo q para manejarlas 1 ganchito y lo menos posible ;)
 
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