Salida del recto por la cloaca de M. viridis

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Hola a todos...

Aprovecho para saludar porque hace mucho tiempo que no m puedo conectar tanto como me gustaría.

Ultimamente he observado a varias morelias con problemas en el tracto digestivo. Estos ejemplares sufren la salida del último tramo del intestino (lo que para nosotros sería el recto) a través de la cloaca. Una vez fuera se inflama y no pueden recuperar la forma original. Además. al estar fuera del cuerpo, esta porción del cuerpo se deshidrata con suma facilidad lo que sumado a posibles heridas en un tejido tan frágil puede desembocar en la muerte de parte del tejido y su necrosado (el tejido muerto adquiere una tonalidad y textura diferentes a la original lo que puede observarse a simple vista). Una vez necrosado el recto la reintroducción no sirve de nada y a no ser que se le practique una cirujía (de éxito poco probable) el animal muere.

¿Habeis observado este fenómeno vosotros también? ¿conoceis las causas a las que puede deberse? Hablando con mi veterinario mecomentó que podía deberse a una falta de humedad o calcio en la dieta de los animales. Sin embargo, hasta donde yo se, los ejemplares a los que había acontecido esto contaban con una humedad y clacio en la dieta suficientes :eek: Tambien baraja la posibilidad d eque sea un defecto congénito, quizá producto de la endogamia; algo con lo que no estoy de acuerdo ya que esos ejemplares tenían origenes muy diferentes (distintos criadores de distintos paises) incluso son "morfos" diferentes (Aru y Biak).

La verdad es que ya no sé que pensar. ¿Podeis ayudarme?

En fin...gracias y perdón por a parrafada
 

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Bueno,pues esto es muy comun en las viridis,se llama prolapso intestinal,y si se coje a tiempo no requiere mucha importancia.
SI esta recientemente ocurrido,y no esta inflamado ni nada,se puede reintroducir con mucho cuidado,con una sonda de cambeza plana con un poco de vaselina,y dejar de alimentar a la serpiente un par de semanas,para luego volver a alimentarla con un raton muy pekeño,y poco a poco volver a la dieta habitual.Si el tequido esta seco,introducir la serpiente en un cubo con agua y un poco de azucar,para reducir la inflamacion(esto no lo he probado nunca,lo ley en un reportaje sobre esta serpiente,y creo k tambien lo aconsejan en el libro "the complete chondro")hasta que reduzca y luego hacer la misma operacion ke en el anterior.Si el tejido esta necrosado y demasiado inflamado,pues al veterinario y listo.

Las causas son desconocidas,pero se comenta ke es x darles presas demasiado grandes...aunke no se sabe con certeza,lo k como con todas las serpientes,es aconsejable esperar a que defequen para volver a alimentarlas.
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Si, eso ocurre y no solo en morelias, muchas veces a causa de una humedad muy lata y poco higiene en el terrario, si no está muy inflamado puedes reintriducirlo con un palito de esos de limpiar las orejas y un poco de furacín pomada en el palito, si ves que está muy inflamado puedes pincharlo con una jeringuilla para sacar el líquido que hay dentro y introducirlo dentro y si puedes hacerle un vendaje compresivo durante un dia para que no vuelva a salir, si sucede varias veces la única opción es operar.
 
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Humedad alta?? Mi veterinario dice justo lo contrario...una humedad muy baja o_O Lo de la higiene del terrario...me temo que no ha sido el caso ya que esas morelias están bastante cuidadas. En fin...seguimos buscando candidatos a causante...

Ojala no le pase a ninguna serpiente más.

Un saludo y gracias x vuestras respuestas
 

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El problema principal, aunque no el único posible origen de los prolapsos rectales, es la deshidratación, combinada con estres, comidas excesivas en tamaño y frecuencia, falta de ejercicio, etc..

Podeis echarle un ojo:

http://www.finegtps.com/Care_sheets.html#SolvingCommonProblems

5/ Rectal Prolapse

This problem is not common in properly maintained collections. However, most keepers with multiple animals will experience prolapse at some point. Even veteran keepers experience this condition from time to time, and the occurrence of prolapse does not necessarily indicate that there are husbandry problems. Actually, chondros prolapse part of the bowel as a normal part of defecation. The problems arise when the rectal tissue fails to retract, and begins to swell. This looks like a pink bubble or blob of tissue protruding outside of the vent. Left untreated prolapse can be fatal. Conditions that may lead to prolapse include stress, temperatures too high, dehydration, feeding too large a meal or feeding too often, lack of exercise, and in the case of babies, eating unnatural food items. (It is very doubtful that pink mice make up wild neonates' diets.) However, prolapse can occur for no apparent reason even under good conditions, so if you are doing things correctly and experience a prolapse, don't beat yourself up...they happen to experienced keepers too. Animals that repeatedly prolapse are most likely suffering from deeper health issues.

The first order of business is to keep the swollen tissues from drying out. Place the snake in an appropriate size container (such as a deli cup for babies) with a small amount of warm water in it. Be sure that the water isn't deep enough to drown the chondro - use just enough to keep the swollen tissue moist. Make a thick sugar and water paste and apply some to the tissues. Often this will cause the prolapse to retract within a few hours, or overnight. An eye dropper can be useful in applying the sugar paste. Sometimes the tissue will go down in size but not fully retract. Use a clean blunt tool such as an appropriate size sexing probe, and gently push the tissue back into the body cavity. Push the tissue completely into the body, but not farther than is needed to get it all reinserted. If you aren't comfortable with doing this, or if no improvement has been observed within 24 hours, see let a qualified veterinarian. In really bad cases, mild anesthesia will be needed to relax the muscles enough for reinsertion. Sometimes a purse-string suture is needed to retain the prolapse while things heal.

Withhold food from the recovering animal for at least a couple of weeks and then start with very small food items. Watch for a normal defecation, and then slowly work back up to normal meal size and feeding frequency. Most cases of prolapse look much worse than they really are, and usually the condition is very treatable if caught early. Adult females can make a full recovery and go on to lay eggs without complications, as long as sufficient time is allowed for complete healing.

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How do I deal with Rectal Prolapse?

When I first started building my collection of Chondros my biggest concern was the belief that chondros are a species that just continually prolapse. In fact this is not true. It does happen but with a frequency that makes it of little concern. It turns out this is not a problem I’ve had to deal with. If caught early enough, it can easily be fixed. A piece of stool caught in the rectal tissue can look like a full-blown prolapse. First be certain that it is not a piece of stool that became lodged. After a bowel movement, if a small piece of stool becomes lodged in the end of the bowel (that is outside the body where there is no muscle to facilitate its passage), this can easily be massaged out and what is left is tissue (almost paper thin) that immediately retracts.

In the case of a baby prolapsing, the first thing to do is place it in about a quarter inch of water with a ball of paper towels inside to create a little island for the animal to lie on. Allow about 15 min. for the animal to drink, should it need to, and then add sugar to the water. After the animal settles on the paper towel “Island”, pour sugar directly on the rectal tissue and paper towel. The tissue should retract on its own overnight. If it doesn’t then it must be pushed back in manually. Rinse the tissue of the sugar prior to insertion. Keep in mind the tissue you’re working with is like a sock inside out. The tissue further out is what goes inside the deepest. Break off the end of a Q-tip (the paper kind not the plastic), smooth out the end by spinning it in some Neosporin on a table top, and gently push the bowel back inside by placing the Q-tip in the rectum. You may need to insert the Q-tip up to an inch to get the tissue back inside. If the animal immediately pushes the tissue back out again, a very small piece of electrical tape will be needed to hold it in place. After the tissue is back in, place the tape over the vent. (It is a better idea to place the tape right above the vent; this will keep the tissue intact but still allow fluid to pass). This should not be left on for more than 12 hours; otherwise the animal will not be able to pass fluids. (Generally within 12 hours the swelling subsides and remains intact) Then remove the tape using a Q-tip with vegetable or mineral oil.

In the event of an adult prolapsing, the tissue will have to be reinserted and may need a purse string suture to hold it in place. It’s best to have this done by a qualified veterinarian. It’s a good idea to hold off on food for a few weeks until feeding resumes, but be sure to give smaller food items. I believe there are a number of causes of this problem. Most of the prolapses with which I have assisted were from imported animals. Parasite loads were likely to have been the dominant factor. I believe dehydration and stress can contribute to the problem. An animal that is stressed does not drink normally. Also be sure your animals have not gone into the “Zone”, a state in which they simply don’t move. Pull them out and make them move around a bit. Offer them some fresh water and/or put them back close to the water, or soak them to be sure they are drinking. *Please note this is for use in an emergency, a qualified veterinarian should always be consulted when possible.


Espero sirva de orientación, si hay problemas con el inglés, lo comentas y echo una mano.

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Fran_Viridis

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Ya veo...supongo que se trata de una combinación de factores. Lo del estrés lo suponía porque vi un caso tras un transporte nefasto en el que el aninal había sufrido mucho. El tamaño de presa es algo más complicado... como decidir cuál es el adecuado? y más aún cuando la aceptan sin problemas. Cuál os parece el síntoma más inequívoco del estrés?
 
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